Romans 6 and Francis Schaeffer

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From Romans 6 – Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means

  • What have we been doing for a 100 or so years?
  • We are supposed to have been freed from sin which would also include silence? (Knowing the good we ought to do and not doing it is sin)

From Romans 6 – What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of?

  • Should we not be ashamed of our silence?

From Romans 6 – Those things result in death.

  • Might we also say millions of babies have died as a result of our silence?

When are the leaders of the church going to start pushing back against the moral decline of this country and quit being silent for a tax exemption or out of fearing man more than God Almighty?

Francis Schaeffer – A Christian Manifesto – How should Christians Respond

Is immorality or stupidity worse?

What is loyalty to Christ worth to us?

If there is no place for disobeying the government, that government has been made God. Christ must be the final Lord and not Caesar and not society.

Have we denied what we say we believe by our silence?

Has our preaching of the gospel caused a change in culture, which effective preaching should?

Francis Schaefer’s Christian Manifesto talked mostly about true spirituality. True spirituality means that Christ is the Lord of all our life and not just our religious life. And if we think there is a difference in these things we are denying our Lord his proper place, and regardless of how many butterflies we have in our stomach we are poor spiritually. True spirituality means that Jesus is the Lord of all of life and that includes standing for freedom and many of the other things that are founders stood for.

The LIE of separation of church and state must be smashed.

When a government negates the law of God it abrogates its authority.

At a certain point it is not only the privilege but it is the duty of the Christian to disobey the government. That’s what the founding fathers did when they founded this country, and that’s what the early church did.

Should we be repentant for the silence of the last 80 or so years?

Worship vs Making Him Known

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Someone says, ‘My life is so busy I don’t have time to do anything more than a couple hours Sunday morning. God’s purpose for us is worship, so I am so blessed to have all my needs met by meeting with the best worship team in the area on Sunday mornings.” Would you have anything to say and if so, what?

My answer: I believe our main focus should be to know Christ, who He really is, and to make Him and His truths known to others; then help others do the same. If I spend most of my time singing songs to God, how is that making Christ known to those who would rarely, if ever, walk though the doors of my auditorium?

Ron’s answer: Worship is best described in the summary of the 10 Commandments by Jesus to love the Lord our God with all our heart and all our soul and all our mind and with all our strength and to love our neighbor as ourselves. That is true worship. Therefore worship is a way of life and it’s not something one just does on a Sunday morning. That is far too narrow of an understanding of worship that is a reflection of every day of our lives.

The psalms are known as the hymnbook of the Bible. Working through the Psalms one will find that worship is connected to every part of one’s life and never isolated into one place of worship. Psalm 121 is known as the travelers Psalm and it deals with experiencing God’s strength and presence through all of the ups and downs of life and obviously it includes far more than a Sunday morning or a Sabbath.

The daily picture as noted in Luke 9:23, to come after Jesus we have to take up the cross daily and follow him.That is worship.

Check out John chapter 13- 17 discourse of Jesus before the crucifixion. The Chapters give us an expansive picture of the life of disciples. The picture is clear that it is way beyond Sunday morning.
It involves humility, loving one another, love demonstrated by obedience, abiding in the vine, allowing his word to be rooted in us, experiencing friendship with the Lord, experiencing the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and on the list goes with the concepts for a true life of a disciple and genuine worship.

Jesus ultimately brings it Together in the high priestly prayer of John 17 in which Jesus prays for himself, the disciples and all of us who would believe on the message. Belief is demonstrated in actions.

These chapters drive home genuine worship involving the Trinity and the community of faith, which goes beyond a Sunday morning window.

Thoughts on James 1:2-7 (Wisdom & Doubt)

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James says we shouldn’t doubt and if we do we shouldn’t expect to receive anything from the Lord. How does that all work?

Ron’s answer:
Without doubt we can expect to receive wisdom from God. We can be assured that God will give us needed wisdom to somehow find joy when facing many trials, which in turn help us grow and mature as we persevere through them.

My answer:
The point was asking for wisdom. We can be assured that we will receive wisdom. But, unfortunately, the context of this section would probably indicate that we may receive most of our wisdom as a result of trials. Also, we have no choice as to what trials we may receive nor do we know what they will be.

Coronavirus is shaking up the traditional model of church

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Here are a few highlights from an article in the Christian Post, “Dinner Churches and how the coronavirus is shaking up the traditional model”

The problem with most churches is that our living rooms look nothing like the front porch.

What are known as “nones” are those who have no particular religious affiliation. “Dones” are those who are burned out on or “done” with church.

Dinner Church feels like this is a group of people who say, ‘Hey, let’s break bread together and sit down together and share these mealtimes, share God’s Word together, pray together, and do some work together.’ And that’s all it is,” he explained.
We’re not there for any other ulterior purpose but to simply be present with one another and be present with Jesus.

To give people an aesthetic of worship that is so removed from their Monday through Saturday is not doing them any good service. It’s teaching them that in order to connect with God, in order to grow as a Christ follower, you need to pretend that you don’t live in 2020 anymore. And I don’t think that kind of formation as disciples is going to have lifelong transformation,” he said.

The entire church came on Sunday expecting to see a great show, were fine to leave a little money in the plate and then come back next week to do it all over again.
“That’s cancer, full-on cancer,” he reiterated, “because church is supposed to be a missional expression of Christ in their community, their neighborhood and in their city. Anything shy of that is different from the Christianity that Christ laid out.”

Thus, only one out of a hundred Christians know how to reach the secular lost person, introduce them to Jesus, and get their life on a meaningful spiritual flow, he noted. And it’s in the absence of being on the front lines of Gospel mission that consumer-cancer starts to grow.

“Christianity is not the issue.”
“Churchianity is the issue,” he stressed.
Expecting everybody to sit in rows and hear a message from a stage is a huge sociological oversight.”

California morality and leadership…

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People tell you that in polite company you shouldn’t talk religion or politics.  When you believe that, the pictures below are an INEVITABLE result. The more startling ones would be the piles of dead in the Nazi concentration camps.  

Religion and politics are the two sides of the same coin.  YOUR RELIGION is ALWAYS played out in YOUR POLITICS.  Politics is simply religious beliefs being manifest and displayed in the out workings of your beliefs about reality.  

The enemy of good doesn’t want you to THINK or TALK about how to live a clean life, personally or collectively.  The real enemy behind the lies is Satan himself, who is the father of lies whose aim is to steal, kill, and destroy. 

Godless ideology always promises a man conceived earthly utopia with a man or group of elites, holding all the power and that ALWAYS goes VERY BAD.  Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and now the USA is following the same path.  

I have A LOT to say about how this happened to our country, that started out being the hope of the world where MASSES of immigrants poured into the USA hoping for freedom and a better life.  Just as a zebra at a water hole, if it doesn’t stay alert, it becomes lunch for the lion.  Satan is described as a roaring lion seeking to devour you.
Vigilance is forever necessary to stay alive and free. 

Our Churches and religious leaders fell asleep and then our schools were taken over for generations.  Now we don’t even know what is between our legs. (gender insanity)  There has NEVER been a culture so utterly depraved as we have become, yet not everyone. 

Christians are supposed to be the salt and light and show the way.  But an ignorant Christian who doesn’t know, or obey the Bible will not be able to lead well.  

I hope to stay alive long enough to be of some assistance and comfort to you as you began to navigate this dangerous life outside the Garden of Eden.  Life here is not a playground.  It is a BATTLEGROUND.  God has given us plenty of blessings now.  But everything is in a fallen state and will never completely satisfy until we see him face to face in his full glory.  

I don’t have all the answers, but I have learned a lot in my old age.  Please use me while you have the chance.  Who else do you have that is willing and able to do this?  Talk to me on occasion or I will not be able to know how to best meet your needs or answer the questions that every person on earth truly has on the issues of life.  Get knowledge and wisdom or perish like a dumb beast, which is the default position that most people drift to.  

I have hope for you my dear ones.  This world is getting darker by the hour.  Seek to shine like a bright beacon of hope for those who are living in desperation.  

American Christmas, a better way?

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If there were a better way to do Christmas in America what might that look like?

When we go to a birthday party, who receives the gifts or to whom do we give the gifts?

Christmas is supposedly Jesus’ birthday, so why not give our gifts to him? So, how might we give gifts to Jesus on Christmas?

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Matthew 25:40

So, if something were given to “the least of these”, it would be given to Jesus.

Christmas suggestion:

  • During the year or on Christmas, have your group/family donate to a special account.
  • An easy way to do this might be from your phone via Zelle.
  • No one would know who has donated or how much any individual donated.
  • Then on Christmas day, all would see the account balance and as a group decide where to give to “the least of these”.


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Passage I Read Today as a result of sharing time with a younger couple who are learning to struggle well, primarily with difficult health issues:
Philippians 4:11‭-‬12 NIV:
I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.

Her initial thought:
If we are Christian, we can expect to automatically be and do as Paul did in the New Testament.

After struggling from some time with life’s circumstances, she came to realize:
Contentment is a learned  process.

My thought:
I have not yet learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, it’s a journey; Lord help me.

Bad Ideas

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“Ideas have consequences, and bad ideas have victims.” – often quoted by John Stonestreet at BreakPoint.

How do we keep ourselves from being victims of bad ideas?

“If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.” – Lao Tzu

Non-Essential plus a few other thoughts

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  • 99.6% survival rate from Covid-19
  • By being silent you are complicatedly standing with tyranny.
  • If a Christian refuses to vote then they will stand before God in judgement.
  • Pastors who open their doors to politicians who stand up for abortion have blood on their hands.
  • The true moral evil of socialism is stealing.
  • We’ve lost the fear of God therefore the church isn’t teaching it.
  • Why are we so silent?
  • Marxism’s goal – sew dissatisfaction

Excellent presentation, October 19th, 2020 –
Non-Essential, youtube –
About 2 hours worth, you can skip to 18 minutes, then when the national anthem is done, you can skip to 39 minutes

I would highly recommend taking 2 hours to view the previous link, but for those who would rather read a summary of some points plus a few added thoughts, then continue reading.

Dr Dan Erickson
We can’t legislate risk, have an overall 99.6% survival rate from Covid-19; need to protect the vunerable, be able to have free scientific discussions, let people get back to life as normal, and need to restore the republic to its former form of glory.

Pastor Rob McCoy from California
They have not had one case of Covid in their church and they have been open since May. Romans 13, the government is “WE THE PEOPLE”. You cannot say you are not political (i.e. pastors); you have chosen a political stand by being silent and complicatedly standing with tyranny.

Cissie Graham Lynch
You could replace the word politics with governance, who is going to rule over you. In 2016 over 40 million evangelicals did not vote. People say, “I don’t love either candidate”. When did love become a standard to vote for someone? We need not love the politician but the public policy that they will stand by. The time is past to leave faith inside the home. Abortion up to the time of birth is barbaric. If a Christian refuses to vote then they will stand before God in judgement. We need to fight for religious liberty. Children’s education is key. Do you want your kindergarten kids taught about LGBT for a month? Is it OK for an 8 year old to decide what sex they want to be? (15 second clip showing that Biden supports it,
The beauty of freedom was given to us by Christ, but it is a choice to be part of the solution. What are you going to do with it?

David Harris Jr
A movement has crept into the church that is satanic in nature; that movement is the Black Lives Matter movement. They choose to identify with the color of their skin instead of Christ. BLM is a Marxist, anti-God and anti-family movement. David’s wife was almost aborted, but her mom got up off the abortion table and chose life. Where are the pastors who aren’t standing up against abortion? Why are pastors opening their doors to politicians who stand up for abortion? There is blood on their hands. It is essential that believers vote for the party that supports life.

Activist Christians founded this country. Freedom and equality are key principles of this country’s founding. In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus said: ‘I will build my ekklesia.’
Ekklesia is tied to freedom and equality.

Steve Simms points out that an ekklesia was the governing body of an ancient Greek city-state and the world’s first expression of democracy… Everyone was considered equal in the ekklesia and any citizen present could participate and share his ideas, opinions, and concerns.

Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza points out in the Gospels a true, ground-up “ekklesia of equals” becomes a possibility in the new society initiated by Jesus.

Locking down America should go down as one of the worst decisions ever. They haven’t figured out how to control “We the People”. Everyone should get 10 others to the poles. Charlie is only going to sleep 3 hrs per night for the next 17 days as he speaks throughout the country.

Kirk Cameron
What do we do? Ask the very people who founded this country (Monumental documentary). The secret recipe, if we have ever lost our way is the National Monument to the Forefathers.
The right arm and hand of faith is pointing upward toward God, and the left hand holds an open Bible; below faith are morality, law, education, and liberty.
– Liberty – a warrior who has overcome the tyrant King of England who persecuted the Pilgrims for their deep religious beliefs.
– Morality – a woman holding a tablet of the 10 Commandments in her left hand and the scroll of Revelation in her right.
– Law – a man holding a Bible with his chair supported by justice and mercy.
– Education – a woman pointing to the Bible in her lap with her chair supported by wisdom and youth.

Dinesh D’Souza

The church is the sleeping giant of American politics. From the beginning of the US until a generation ago it was a Christian nation. But today we are living in a secular society. Our politics have taken a dark turn. Part of the agenda of the secular left is to move to socialism. People say they are going to make socialism work this time. Modern socialism is dividing America in many different ways, not just by economics. The goal of the secular left is to terrorize everyone, making us conform, live by their rules. What do we do about this? We have to create our own educational system, movies, etc. We have one giant unused megaphone, the church. The other side knows we are the nice guys who want to play by the rules; they know we are suckers. We need to realize that they take advantage of the fact that we play by the rules. The lion tamer and the lion story – if the lion is more powerful why is he following the lion tamer? The lion doesn’t realize its power. It’s time for we the church to roar.

The true moral evil of socialism is stealing. For example, go to your neighbor’s house, kick in the door and start eating their food. They say that your neighbor’s stuff is actually yours due to something that happened to your grandfather. They are suppressing our consciences and labeling it social justice.

The church needs to be addressing moral choice issues. We’ve lost the fear of God therefore the church isn’t teaching it. When talking to someone, first find out why they believe anti-moral things.

What needs to be said to the American pulpit? The Judeo Christian worldview is essential – need application of God’s word to all areas of our lives.

You have to do to them what they are doing to us or they will never stop.

The Soviets removed truth. It is evil to tell a young person there is no absolute truth. Christ did not just say truth, He was truth. The biggest sensors in America are You, we aren’t talking. Why are we so silent? Every single person who believes in truth has a moral obligation to never allow a lie to cross their path. We have to introduce truth.

Some of my thoughts beyond the previous summary of non-essentials.

Do we in the USA no longer fear God?
Does it matter if we no longer fear God?

The midwives, however, feared God and did not do as the king of Egypt had told them; they let the boys live. Exodus 1:16-18

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and discipline. Proverbs 1:7

Many of us may have never read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, or need a refresher, so the following is a brief overview to inform or refresh.

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” Genesis 19:4-5

We are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.” Genesis 19:13

Excellent documentary – “After Trump: A Warning to America”

William Federer (The American Minute)
Socialism promises a common good – they teach that the state is God walking on earth. They identify groups who are disgruntled, then sew dissatisfaction among them – Marxism.
The “1619 project” is brain washing by destroying the history.

Some key things the Democratic platform states:
– Supports “repealing the Hyde Amendment” to allow the government
to fund abortion.
– Supports insurance coverage of “gender transition,” including
“surgery and hormone therapy.”
– “We will ensure that all transgender and non-binary people can procure official government identification documents that accurately reflect their gender identity.”
– Supports banning practices aimed at assisting patients with unwanted same-sex attraction or gender dysphoria.
– “We will fight to enact the Equality Act” – a bill that would allow
biological men to play in women’s sports if they identify as
transgender women.
– “We will restore the United States’ position of leadership on
LGBTQ+ issues” and appoint “senior leaders directly responsible for
driving…LGBTQ+ issues within the federal government.”
– They cater to LGBTQ, whose life style is why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, is mentioned 32 times in the Democratic platform – none in Republican platform.
– Calls for VA medical benefits to include abortion and gender
“transition” services.